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happy friday everybody and welcome back

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to the show

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i'm your host vinnie adams it is good to

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be here as always good to see you guys

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in the live chat um before i bring on my

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guest i just want to say thank you to

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support and feedback so thank you guys

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so much

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out phenomenology and you haven't

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already but uh yeah thank you guys so

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much but let's not waste any more time

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um i've wanted to speak to my guest for

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some time now she is

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a ufo researcher cryptozoology

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paranormal she covers everything but

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boots on the ground investigator which i

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always uh have so much respect for

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people that actually get out

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and get down and dirty in the field so

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guys um

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put your hands together for my guest

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brit barbieri brit how are you

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i'm good vinnie thank you for the

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wonderful introduction

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hey my pleasure did i pronounce your

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surname okay

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barbieri yeah yeah cool i was panicking

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on that for a while today so i'm glad i

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got it i i'm doing good thank you so

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much um

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switch my screen get you up there and we

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will shoot with the first question i

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would just love to know about what got

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you into these you know fringe i guess

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their fringe subjects ufos bigfoot where

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did it all start for you

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um it started i'll apologize really

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quick for my voice coming back from

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roswell it's it's gone um

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it started when i was really young you

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know i grew up in essex park colorado

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but my family i was born in tucson

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arizona so very much an out west girl

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horseback riding so forth um growing up

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in the woods and when i was really

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little my my parents used to talk about

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lights they used to see in the sky that

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would do erratic patterns and then

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disappear as i was a little girl you're

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front porch and look up at the sky um

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life and civilizations that could

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possibly be another planet so from we're

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talking like three four five i remember

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the mountains we had several experiences

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in hunters that talked about you know

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sasquatch and there was an incident we

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animals and there were seven of us but i

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the most horrific sound from directly

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um or several acres excuse me from you

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mountain lion and bear so and dears

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woman being murdered so these sounds

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to know more and then my parents

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project boob book and you know close

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encounters and so from that point in my

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life you know the first time i ever saw

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so i started very young and i think i'm

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the only person alive today still has

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because i enjoy going and reading books

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be the change and be the difference and

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stand out so that's what i did

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that's amazing and it's so good to have

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a supportive family behind you you know

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it because some people experience a lot

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of stigma directly just from their

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family members and friends like you know

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why are they looking into this weird

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stuff so it sounds like that you you

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really sort of stands above the rest or

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paranormal investigating for for ghosts

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mind that you know bigfoot was this

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ridiculous monster when through history

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it was this crazy monstrous beast and it

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primate so that it was one of my

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you know who can't talk about 1947

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without getting a a big fire in their

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soul to just go and take down the world

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go and do paranormal investigating any

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time and paranormal is a big spectrum

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for a minute and you mentioned about it

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i think it gets overlooked a lot mostly

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jeff meldrum on many many times about

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you know the the land bridges that

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people seem to forget about and the ice

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bridges that people think is not

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like um and so yeah i firmly believe

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that you know they they that's where it

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that they're still out there you know

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come across in the little bit of the big

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field that i've you know watched and

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looked into the

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the first thing people say is well how

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come we've never really you know seen

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one with definitive video evidence and

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how do they remain hidden so well

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i get that a lot too actually i hear

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that quite a bit um

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i always like to describe it as so let's

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imagine you're in your home and there's

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a burglar coming in

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you know your house better than anybody

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including this burglar and you're going

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to know the best hiding spot not to be

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seen so that burglar might see you in a

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shadow very quickly but you're going to

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know where to hide your family to

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protect them

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that burglar does not and the woods are

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so dense and you can be walking and

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growing up in the rockies you can be

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walking and walk right up on a grizzly

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when it comes to proof of evidence of

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videos i think there are true videos

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that are getting kind of washed in with

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a lot of fakes and a lot of hoaxes so

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people our natural mind immediately goes

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oh that's a fake too because it's too

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good the problem is those two good ones

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i think are true authentic videos and

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they're being labeled as fakes and

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unfortunately the general public when

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this happens they don't have anyone to

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turn to

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um to say look at this is what i saw

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because immediately it's oh you faked it

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or oh you're just crazy you're one of

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those crazy people that saw something

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and they did it it's real

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um

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and the woods you know if you've grown

291
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up in them or you've hunted in them or

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you know them really well

293
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you grow to know that the woods

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are are a massive disguise and it's a

295
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huge camouflage pit

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so it doesn't matter what size you are

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even when grizzly bear stands up it will

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go completely invisible to the naked eye

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if you don't know the woods

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and and i i have my own theories i do

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think sasquatch are able to climb

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and i think they can hide in trees very

303
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well above you as well as i do believe

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that because of the primate that they

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are they are able to go on knuckles and

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if you've ever watched a gorilla or a

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rang run on all fours and take off

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there's no trace of footprints there's

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no trace of dirt there's minor scuffs

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and in the woods you're not looking for

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scuffs you're looking for tracks and

312
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that can be extremely overlooked and you

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can gain so much speed so quickly if you

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know the area if you're on all fours

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taken off in in as far as an ape goes

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you know so that's something that i

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think heavily needs to always be

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considered when they go the tracks have

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just disappeared

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well you certainly didn't consider the

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fact that they could take off running

322
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and two you maybe you haven't looked up

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you know and bears hide above us all the

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time my god i can't tell you many times

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in colorado you'd look up you're like

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there's no bear in the tree

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oh my god he's like i love us

328
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we didn't even hear you

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so these are things to consider

330
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you know so that you know that's that's

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a big problem of mine is a lot of times

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when they do these series or

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media and things like that when they

334
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they have these discussions it's because

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a lot of the people they're putting out

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in the middle of the woods have never

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been in the woods before so they don't

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really know

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what exactly to look for or feel very

340
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comfortable in the woods so everything

341
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is kind of scary to them

342
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yeah no thank you for that um let's talk

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about other cryptids do you have any

344
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others that like really i guess again

345
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are your favorites to to research to

346
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watch videos on and like because i mean

347
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it's quite a broad spectrum of you know

348
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different creatures let's say

349
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in the in the cryptid space there are

350
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i would say hundreds of possible other

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cryptids out there um because most

352
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countries have kind of their own version

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of bigfoot um

354
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you have different fairies which is

355
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considered encrypted which always

356
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fascinate me because i considered that

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more folklore um

358
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but as far as cryptid goes

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i've always leaned to

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now again the chupacabra i believe is a

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canine i think that's just a type of dog

362
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which again

363
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was basically discovered in texas yet

364
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for some reason science is saying ah

365
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it's nothing it's nothing but there is a

366
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crazy looking canine dog in texas and

367
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through mexico that looks like it has

368
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mange but the underbite and the weight

369
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it has these weird um bone nodules on

370
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the back of its hind quarters that's

371
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quite compelling to me to go what kind

372
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of canine is this you know

373
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um and then you know of course in in the

374
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cryptic space there's also loch ness

375
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which has always fascinated me because

376
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i've always believed that dinosaurs

377
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and to a certain extent i want to watch

378
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how i say that people don't think i'm

379
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crazy

380
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do still exist today um and the reason i

381
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like to combat that is because

382
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knowing crocodilian species and

383
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alligator species they have not changed

384
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much since the time of the dinosaurs

385
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they are like a living dinosaur today

386
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and so

387
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i look at a lot of animals that have not

388
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really changed much from that time that

389
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are still alive today

390
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that it does make me wonder about the

391
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successes of some of these other animals

392
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especially ocean bound because the ocean

393
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in truth is only been five percent

394
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discovered so

395
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you know i have theories and megalodon

396
00:13:43,509 --> 00:13:41,680
of course is another one um

397
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that as a scuba diver

398
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i i and i've seen

399
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plenty of photos and sharks and people

400
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sending me uh photos saying you know we

401
00:13:51,509 --> 00:13:50,639
took this picture and i can't explain it

402
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and

403
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it's you know a great white with a

404
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ginormous chunk out of it and it's not

405
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like an orchid did this you know orca

406
00:14:01,670 --> 00:14:00,000
wouldn't have done this it this is

407
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another shark bite

408
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you can tell by the way the teeth are

409
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and

410
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it leaves me to believe

411
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that there's a possibility of a lineage

412
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of megalodon still around but i believe

413
00:14:13,750 --> 00:14:12,639
with the water temperatures changing and

414
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fluctuating as we've seen with the

415
00:14:17,910 --> 00:14:15,279
whales they have to go where the food

416
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sources are and how they need to survive

417
00:14:21,990 --> 00:14:20,079
and there are some really deep parts of

418
00:14:23,750 --> 00:14:22,000
the ocean that we can't get to and i

419
00:14:26,949 --> 00:14:23,760
just

420
00:14:28,949 --> 00:14:26,959
you know and i'm fine jumping in it

421
00:14:31,189 --> 00:14:28,959
doesn't scare me if i see one i'm just

422
00:14:33,110 --> 00:14:31,199
gonna be so thrilled like it doesn't

423
00:14:35,030 --> 00:14:33,120
scare me at all because you know it is

424
00:14:36,470 --> 00:14:35,040
what it is but

425
00:14:38,389 --> 00:14:36,480
i just like to believe that some of

426
00:14:40,389 --> 00:14:38,399
these things still exist and i just

427
00:14:42,230 --> 00:14:40,399
don't want to close the door on them yet

428
00:14:43,430 --> 00:14:42,240
we can't say definitively that they

429
00:14:45,030 --> 00:14:43,440
don't

430
00:14:46,629 --> 00:14:45,040
no that's completely fair enough you

431
00:14:47,670 --> 00:14:46,639
know leave things on the table until

432
00:14:48,629 --> 00:14:47,680
they can be

433
00:14:51,829 --> 00:14:48,639
proven

434
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conclusively to to not exist or to exist

435
00:14:56,310 --> 00:14:53,920
so yeah i'm with you there and i like

436
00:14:58,150 --> 00:14:56,320
the idea of dinosaurs still living i was

437
00:15:00,150 --> 00:14:58,160
fascinated by them as a kid although i

438
00:15:02,870 --> 00:15:00,160
do get a slight jurassic park vibes

439
00:15:05,110 --> 00:15:02,880
about it but

440
00:15:07,269 --> 00:15:05,120
who didn't love jurassic park as a kid

441
00:15:08,790 --> 00:15:07,279
though i mean come on

442
00:15:10,629 --> 00:15:08,800
yeah absolutely

443
00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:10,639
um so let's move on and let's let's get

444
00:15:14,629 --> 00:15:12,720
to ufos because they're you know that's

445
00:15:16,069 --> 00:15:14,639
that's why we're here really i suppose

446
00:15:18,389 --> 00:15:16,079
and i'd like to start by talking about

447
00:15:20,710 --> 00:15:18,399
your podcast because not only do you

448
00:15:22,949 --> 00:15:20,720
host a podcast that way it covers all

449
00:15:26,550 --> 00:15:22,959
subjects but you host it alongside don

450
00:15:28,150 --> 00:15:26,560
schmidt of yes roswell fame so how on

451
00:15:29,350 --> 00:15:28,160
earth did that come about how did you

452
00:15:31,110 --> 00:15:29,360
meet don

453
00:15:31,990 --> 00:15:31,120
it's fascinating

454
00:15:32,870 --> 00:15:32,000
so

455
00:15:34,710 --> 00:15:32,880
um

456
00:15:37,749 --> 00:15:34,720
i've been in the industry since i was a

457
00:15:40,230 --> 00:15:37,759
little girl um and so

458
00:15:42,069 --> 00:15:40,240
i ended up working on a project it was a

459
00:15:44,710 --> 00:15:42,079
little over five years ago now

460
00:15:46,310 --> 00:15:44,720
and i've always idolized of course jail

461
00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:46,320
and hynek you know of course growing up

462
00:15:48,870 --> 00:15:48,000
that was like oh my gosh

463
00:15:53,509 --> 00:15:48,880
and

464
00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:53,519
donald schmidt i mean these are two like

465
00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:54,880
tom carrey you know these are gentlemen

466
00:15:58,790 --> 00:15:56,800
that were like kicking down doors and

467
00:16:01,189 --> 00:15:58,800
taking names you know after after blue

468
00:16:02,790 --> 00:16:01,199
book closed and so when that happened um

469
00:16:04,069 --> 00:16:02,800
i always just kind of bought up all of

470
00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:04,079
his books and and was like i've got to

471
00:16:07,509 --> 00:16:05,680
follow this guy he's just incredible as

472
00:16:09,350 --> 00:16:07,519
far as roswell goes

473
00:16:12,629 --> 00:16:09,360
and then i was on a project that they

474
00:16:14,389 --> 00:16:12,639
needed a specialist in roswell and it

475
00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:14,399
opened the door for me to reach out to

476
00:16:17,749 --> 00:16:15,839
him as you know of course as a

477
00:16:19,030 --> 00:16:17,759
professional in the business but also

478
00:16:21,509 --> 00:16:19,040
to actually get

479
00:16:23,430 --> 00:16:21,519
down to the business on roswell and i

480
00:16:24,550 --> 00:16:23,440
reached out to him and i sent my first

481
00:16:25,990 --> 00:16:24,560
email and i thought oh my god please

482
00:16:27,509 --> 00:16:26,000
respond back this is going to be amazing

483
00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:27,519
and he responds

484
00:16:31,350 --> 00:16:29,040
and he was so nice and then we set up

485
00:16:33,509 --> 00:16:31,360
our first zoom call but on that call

486
00:16:35,350 --> 00:16:33,519
after i got the questions i needed for

487
00:16:37,509 --> 00:16:35,360
his submission i ended up talking to him

488
00:16:39,030 --> 00:16:37,519
for like another hour after that and we

489
00:16:40,870 --> 00:16:39,040
were having this lengthy conversation

490
00:16:43,269 --> 00:16:40,880
and he was like i'm so impressed that

491
00:16:45,030 --> 00:16:43,279
somebody at your age which you know i'm

492
00:16:47,749 --> 00:16:45,040
young but i'm not that young you know

493
00:16:49,430 --> 00:16:47,759
know so much about roswell and heinek

494
00:16:52,629 --> 00:16:49,440
and so forth and he was really taken

495
00:16:55,030 --> 00:16:52,639
back by that and we ended up creating

496
00:16:57,030 --> 00:16:55,040
this incredible friendship to where it

497
00:16:59,590 --> 00:16:57,040
turned into family like my son calls him

498
00:17:01,990 --> 00:16:59,600
uncle don because he became family you

499
00:17:04,069 --> 00:17:02,000
know and then it became a mentoring i

500
00:17:06,150 --> 00:17:04,079
wanted to be a ufologist there were

501
00:17:08,630 --> 00:17:06,160
courses online that they called it

502
00:17:10,309 --> 00:17:08,640
certified as you as you state but you

503
00:17:12,390 --> 00:17:10,319
would just be certified to say hey you

504
00:17:14,789 --> 00:17:12,400
know your business you did the time you

505
00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:14,799
did the hours and you know the you know

506
00:17:18,710 --> 00:17:17,280
from not just the 47 but prior the

507
00:17:20,710 --> 00:17:18,720
history of it all

508
00:17:22,230 --> 00:17:20,720
and he helped me through it you know i

509
00:17:23,590 --> 00:17:22,240
would send him everything i'm like oh my

510
00:17:25,350 --> 00:17:23,600
god i'm waiting for my test results for

511
00:17:27,829 --> 00:17:25,360
my teacher to come back you know and he

512
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:27,839
was right alongside me the whole time

513
00:17:32,710 --> 00:17:30,480
and we've been trying to create shows

514
00:17:34,870 --> 00:17:32,720
together in fact the time that ufo

515
00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:34,880
witness was being pitched

516
00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:36,880
i was pitching a concept for don and i

517
00:17:41,669 --> 00:17:38,960
to bring back blue book

518
00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:41,679
as like a new actual team investigative

519
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:44,160
team as the new blue book

520
00:17:49,029 --> 00:17:46,640
and we got into a pitching war in a

521
00:17:50,150 --> 00:17:49,039
sense in regards to you know oh they

522
00:17:51,510 --> 00:17:50,160
already have

523
00:17:53,510 --> 00:17:51,520
you know this other pitch on the table

524
00:17:54,870 --> 00:17:53,520
and what else can you offer and don and

525
00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:54,880
i are like well we can offer this never

526
00:17:57,430 --> 00:17:56,080
that you know but then they went ahead

527
00:17:58,950 --> 00:17:57,440
and purchased it

528
00:18:00,710 --> 00:17:58,960
um and then i got a call of course my

529
00:18:01,909 --> 00:18:00,720
friend ben henson was like hey you know

530
00:18:04,390 --> 00:18:01,919
there will be a host on the show i'm

531
00:18:06,630 --> 00:18:04,400
like yeah yeah i know

532
00:18:08,070 --> 00:18:06,640
i don't want to hear about it um

533
00:18:09,590 --> 00:18:08,080
but yeah and so that you know that's

534
00:18:11,110 --> 00:18:09,600
kind of how that all unfolded and we

535
00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:11,120
continued to

536
00:18:14,230 --> 00:18:12,880
push forward and then we were talking

537
00:18:16,870 --> 00:18:14,240
we're like why don't we just do our own

538
00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:16,880
podcast and bring on the specialists

539
00:18:21,029 --> 00:18:18,960
that we really want to talk to

540
00:18:23,830 --> 00:18:21,039
but really bring the truth out where

541
00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:23,840
they can't control us and we figured out

542
00:18:27,990 --> 00:18:25,679
a way to do that and that was through no

543
00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:28,000
earthly explanation

544
00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:29,520
that's awesome i've listened to a few

545
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:32,080
episodes and it's fantastic so guys

546
00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:33,120
uh

547
00:18:36,870 --> 00:18:35,280
britslingtree is in in the description

548
00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:36,880
go and check out all her stuff but go

549
00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:38,400
and listen to the podcast it's it's

550
00:18:42,549 --> 00:18:40,720
amazing and so that's just with roswell

551
00:18:44,950 --> 00:18:42,559
does it frustrate you when you see the

552
00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:44,960
multiple government excuses as to what

553
00:18:49,190 --> 00:18:47,840
they claim it was

554
00:18:51,909 --> 00:18:49,200
hands down

555
00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:51,919
it fires me up to no end because

556
00:18:56,310 --> 00:18:53,760
honestly at the end of the day do you

557
00:18:59,110 --> 00:18:56,320
threaten 50 plus people's lives over a

558
00:19:00,470 --> 00:18:59,120
weather balloon no no it doesn't happen

559
00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:00,480
like that and

560
00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:03,200
it it to me it fascinates me that

561
00:19:06,150 --> 00:19:04,720
there's so many people that are like oh

562
00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:06,160
the government will tell us they're

563
00:19:08,789 --> 00:19:07,520
going to tell us and it's like no

564
00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:08,799
they're not i don't want you to hold

565
00:19:12,789 --> 00:19:10,640
your breath it's not going to happen

566
00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:12,799
they don't in a sense they just kind of

567
00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:14,960
want 47 to go away because it was their

568
00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:15,919
biggest

569
00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:18,240
flub that they've ever made when

570
00:19:21,750 --> 00:19:20,080
something like this happened

571
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:21,760
and they just really want everyone to

572
00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:23,760
forget about it but we can't and we're

573
00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:25,440
not going to so yeah i get really

574
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:27,280
frustrated because even to this day they

575
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:28,799
still try and

576
00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:30,720
poo poo it away you know and i i just

577
00:19:33,909 --> 00:19:32,000
get so

578
00:19:35,430 --> 00:19:33,919
i'm like no that's the smoking gun

579
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:35,440
that's where it all started that's where

580
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:38,400
it came to the point to we know

581
00:19:42,549 --> 00:19:41,280
you'll do anything to cover up the truth

582
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:42,559
even to the point of threatening

583
00:19:45,750 --> 00:19:44,080
children's lives that you'll kill their

584
00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:45,760
entire families

585
00:19:50,390 --> 00:19:48,080
if they say anything about seeing

586
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:50,400
anything or hearing anything

587
00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:52,400
and it's horrible people's lives were

588
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:55,280
ruined because of it and it's

589
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:57,120
what harm is it to tell people yeah

590
00:20:02,230 --> 00:19:58,960
something amazing happened and crash and

591
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:02,240
i get 47 that was a different time frame

592
00:20:05,590 --> 00:20:04,320
mentally for people to kind of accept

593
00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:05,600
that we saw what happened with war of

594
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:08,880
the worlds i i get it i totally

595
00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:10,080
understand

596
00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:12,240
um but we're not anymore the last 20

597
00:20:15,909 --> 00:20:14,240
years we're not anymore and

598
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:15,919
and i think that it's too late now for

599
00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:18,000
them to come out and say yeah we lied to

600
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:19,520
you and then what's the public going to

601
00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:20,799
say well what else are you lying to us

602
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:22,240
about because that's one of the biggest

603
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:23,440
things that you've lied to so they

604
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:25,120
really can't tell us the truth but it

605
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:26,880
just sucks

606
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:30,240
yeah i mean there's a lot going on at

607
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:31,600
the moment isn't there with with the

608
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:33,120
government and these different

609
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:34,559
amendments and

610
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:36,480
national defense authorization acts and

611
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:38,720
stuff so i do feel like there's some

612
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:40,320
people within the government who

613
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:42,720
probably may be on the younger side of

614
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:44,400
of the government who who now have a bit

615
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:47,120
of control or or want to see this come

616
00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:50,159
out and i kind of you know

617
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:51,760
it's difficult for me the way i look at

618
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:53,280
it is you know they're still going to

619
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:54,240
get

620
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:56,320
blocked left right and center if you

621
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:58,000
know when they they go into certain

622
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:59,520
areas what do you think about that do

623
00:21:02,549 --> 00:21:01,200
you think that

624
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:02,559
do you think it's worth it do you think

625
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:04,400
we should continue pushing or should we

626
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:06,159
you know look elsewhere and if we look

627
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:07,440
elsewhere where should we look for

628
00:21:13,950 --> 00:21:13,430
that's a big pill

629
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:13,960
um

630
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:15,600
[Laughter]

631
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:17,120
i mean i don't think we should stop

632
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:18,159
pushing

633
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:19,760
at all because there are other cases

634
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:21,679
that took place after 47 that's just

635
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:24,159
kind of the mecca that we all lean to to

636
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:26,000
show that they are willing to cover

637
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:29,280
things up if need be um and they did

638
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:30,960
but there were other cases that's why

639
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:34,080
blue book came about and i and and even

640
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:37,120
it baffled me and it really set me back

641
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:39,120
that the two gentlemen they picked for

642
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:40,400
the congressional hearing here in the

643
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:41,520
u.s

644
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:43,360
when asked multiple questions in regards

645
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:45,760
to several very prominent cases they

646
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:48,000
knew nothing of it because for some

647
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:49,679
reason they're only being allowed to

648
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:52,480
investigate to 2004 and that's it

649
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:55,440
and how are you to investigate ufos not

650
00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:58,559
uaps ufos if you don't know

651
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:01,840
the true history that has unfolded and

652
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:03,840
it fascinated me that when asked if

653
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:06,960
there was any other investigative team

654
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:09,679
prior to blue book they said no

655
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:11,600
which is false

656
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,760
there was grudge and sign that came

657
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:15,600
directly as soon as the roswell crash

658
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:18,640
happened and then area 51 opened up so

659
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:21,520
for them not to have known something was

660
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:24,000
crazy to me but then i thought or do

661
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:25,679
they know and they're trying to play

662
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:26,640
dumb

663
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:29,280
because that's what they were told to do

664
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,919
so it's frustrating because you could

665
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:33,840
tell gallagher was trying to nail that

666
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:36,000
hammer in there to get those points well

667
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:37,919
you should know this you know we had

668
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:40,480
nine missiles go no go in a matter of

669
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:42,159
seconds because of a ufo that went over

670
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,400
a base so and that's

671
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:46,640
a huge huge issue

672
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:49,039
and there's multiple cases of that james

673
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:50,960
clark actually investigated several

674
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:53,600
other claims from here to the uk

675
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:55,520
of the same type of identical

676
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:57,039
occurrences

677
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:59,679
and the fact that they had no idea

678
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:00,960
there's two things there either they

679
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:02,559
really didn't know

680
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:04,240
or they're supposed to act like they

681
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:05,520
don't know because they don't want the

682
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:07,039
public to know about this stuff that

683
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:08,559
it's real

684
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,120
and it ticked me off that the video they

685
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:13,200
choose to show they didn't properly set

686
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,159
it up

687
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:16,320
they give us this little dinky flyby

688
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:18,159
that it could have been a bug flying by

689
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:19,200
the window

690
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:22,480
and we know with on without certainty

691
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:24,159
they have better footage

692
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:24,960
so

693
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:30,400
and it actually fired me up more to say

694
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:32,320
no this isn't it we need to keep pushing

695
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:34,480
this this is not going to satisfy us as

696
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:36,000
much as they want us to we're not going

697
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:37,520
to be satisfied with this so we're going

698
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:39,600
to keep pushing because when blue blood

699
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:42,320
closed officially in january of 1970

700
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:44,320
hynix said there are 701 cases i could

701
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:45,679
not explain away and i know for

702
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,200
certainly certainly that there is proof

703
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:51,840
to this you know the the actual case

704
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:53,919
that changed him was the lonnie zamora

705
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:55,679
case that that made him go hold on a

706
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:58,000
minute because that the same identical

707
00:24:02,549 --> 00:23:59,840
craft appeared a hundred miles the next

708
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,559
night and heinek witnessed that so

709
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:04,480
he put all those pieces together he

710
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:05,760
realized that there was something else

711
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:07,120
going on you can't cover this up but

712
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:09,039
nasa nasa already sent me letters saying

713
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:10,799
we were not there has nothing to do with

714
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:11,919
us i don't know what you're talking

715
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,720
about

716
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:14,880
and he was in the intel to get that

717
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:16,799
intel if they really were

718
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:20,000
so it changed him that was it for him

719
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:21,679
and that's where kufo started and i

720
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:24,240
think that there needs to be today

721
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,159
a brand new type

722
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:28,320
of investigative

723
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:30,559
center like that that is truly doing the

724
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:32,159
work because the government is not going

725
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:34,080
to assist us and they are certainly not

726
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,760
going to be like oh hey guys last night

727
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:37,520
we had incredible crafts flying over the

728
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:39,039
you know us capital no it's not going to

729
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:39,919
happen

730
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:41,440
they're not going to do it so we have to

731
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:42,480
push harder and i don't think we should

732
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:44,080
look elsewhere if we look elsewhere we

733
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:45,679
should just be pulling that intel like

734
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:47,919
from brazil and from mexico and from all

735
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:49,360
these other places that are now

736
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:51,200
disclosing the information in italy to

737
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:52,640
their people

738
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:54,240
then that's where we need to gather that

739
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,919
information say how come you're not the

740
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:57,840
only country or you're the only country

741
00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:59,760
excuse me not giving this information to

742
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:01,600
their to the general public when other

743
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:02,720
countries are

744
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:05,200
where where are we in this

745
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,880
yeah absolutely i think there needs to

746
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:08,480
be more collaboration as well with other

747
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,640
countries at least openly because they

748
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:12,799
may well be talking behind the scenes we

749
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:15,039
don't necessarily know that but yeah i

750
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:16,240
agree that we should definitely keep

751
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:17,360
pushing

752
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:18,159
um

753
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,520
now let's switch it up a little bit

754
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,120
because i did want to talk about the

755
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:23,520
appearance you made on unidentified last

756
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:26,080
year unidentified with demi lovato now

757
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:28,159
when that first first got announced it

758
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,000
did throw a little bit of controversy

759
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:32,159
into the the community

760
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:34,400
you know like this is just hollywood

761
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,320
getting involved what do they know about

762
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:38,240
ufos um

763
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:39,919
the way i looked at it is but it's gonna

764
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,400
hit a whole new audience a massive new

765
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:44,480
audience so surely that is a good thing

766
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:47,279
to have more people aware of the subject

767
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:49,919
so i'd like your views on that but also

768
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:54,159
how it came about for you and how it was

769
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:57,840
um i was they wanted an expert demi had

770
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:00,240
never um her friend matthew and her

771
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:02,559
sister dallas had never really

772
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:04,720
dove too deep into it and apparently she

773
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:07,679
had had a personal account um and she

774
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:10,159
just truly wanted to dive deeper into

775
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:11,840
this world but she didn't want to do any

776
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:13,760
research for herself she wanted experts

777
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:15,840
to tell her what was going on which i

778
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:18,080
thought was fascinating because that

779
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:20,480
kind of takes away some of the

780
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:23,279
uh the color change and tainting and in

781
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:25,120
the bigger picture so it allows you to

782
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:26,720
have different you know perspectives

783
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:29,200
from different experts and i was reached

784
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:31,120
out um again because of working in the

785
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:33,039
industry they asked me and they knew my

786
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:35,039
field work with dawn and they knew and

787
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:36,960
they said you know being that

788
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:39,120
you know you work with ben hansen and

789
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:41,520
you guys know these fields of topic and

790
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:42,960
and i think that demi would really get

791
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:44,320
along with you would you be interested

792
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,919
in coming out as an expert as ufologist

793
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:47,360
in the field of catalina and we know you

794
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:49,520
also have extensive research that you've

795
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:51,919
done um on catalina and because i lived

796
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:54,880
in california in 2008

797
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:57,039
on the entertainment side all of my

798
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:59,279
friends we were in stunts and and shows

799
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:00,799
and they were all doing stunts for

800
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,720
television and movies and they would all

801
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:04,799
go over and get scuba cide scuba dive

802
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,640
trained and certified at catalina so

803
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:08,480
whenever i'd go over there

804
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:10,080
i would be snooping around the museum

805
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:11,200
and talking to people and wanting to

806
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:12,320
know more and of course preston

807
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:14,000
dennett's book really inspired me so i

808
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:16,320
had to do my own digging after that and

809
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:17,919
of course the history of giants and so

810
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:19,120
on it was like the little mysterious

811
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:20,799
island i had to know

812
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:22,240
and so i did do extensive research and

813
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:23,919
so they really wanted me to come on and

814
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:25,840
talk to her about all these crazy

815
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:28,640
mysteries um and so when i got the

816
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:31,200
chance to come on i had the same thing

817
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:32,799
you know people were like oh this is

818
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:34,159
gonna be ridiculous you know you're

819
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,120
gonna ruin your name and i was like why

820
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:39,520
she wants to know the truth everybody

821
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:41,520
wants to know the truth it's not

822
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:44,320
hollywood doing anything this was she

823
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:46,320
wanted to do a show she got the show

824
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:49,600
sold and she wanted experts to teach her

825
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:51,840
what she needs to do for real if she

826
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:52,960
wants to go and do these things by

827
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,080
herself

828
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:56,559
and i found that fantastic i didn't see

829
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:58,080
anything wrong with that and i ended up

830
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:59,600
having a fantastic time with her she was

831
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,080
hilarious her sister was a doll i i

832
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:04,080
still talk to dallas time to time and i

833
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:05,440
stay in touch with her because they're

834
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:08,000
they were really just down to earth nice

835
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:09,600
you know people regardless of what they

836
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:11,120
have personally going on they're good

837
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:12,720
they were good people to me when i was

838
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:14,399
there and i appreciated that and they

839
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:16,720
really wanted to know the truth they

840
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:19,600
didn't want any sugar coating you know

841
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:21,520
and she you know demi threw out at me

842
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:22,799
you know is it possible that when people

843
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:24,640
have seen mermaids over the years could

844
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,240
those have been misidentified

845
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:28,080
extraterrestrials you know because the

846
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:29,679
uso activity i was like well yeah sure

847
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:31,039
anything could be misidentified

848
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:32,960
absolutely you know i'm not going to sit

849
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:34,399
here and tell you that's not possible

850
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:36,720
because sure we don't know the ocean so

851
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,159
sure you know

852
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,159
and i think that

853
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,159
you have to remain an open mind and yeah

854
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,799
i you know i heard a little bit about it

855
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:46,240
after doing the show but honestly it was

856
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:47,679
probably one of the best shows that i i

857
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:49,120
got the opportunity to work on you know

858
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:50,960
it was so laid back and

859
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:53,520
fun and they just really wanted us to

860
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,159
do real experiments which we did

861
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:58,399
we did a crazy uh incredible night watch

862
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:01,440
with lasers to attract not above as we

863
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:02,880
normally would in a normal night watch

864
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,559
we were attracting whatever we could in

865
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:06,000
the ocean which is something that has

866
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:07,200
not been done

867
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:08,399
and it was

868
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,440
wonderful i enjoyed it i loved it

869
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:13,279
excellent yeah no i think you're right

870
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:15,039
you know it's it's a positive thing when

871
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,039
somebody wants to learn whether it's

872
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:19,200
someone lives down the road from you or

873
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:20,960
or a celebrity what's the difference

874
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:23,840
really so yeah i'm with you on that one

875
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,240
but let's stick with catalina because

876
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:28,399
you actually are going to appear i think

877
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:29,919
this i don't know if it's this week or

878
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,120
soon in a new episode of ufo witness

879
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,120
with ben hansen and you're actually

880
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:37,600
investigating catalina so can you tell

881
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:39,360
us about that tell us about the

882
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:41,440
investigation and then can we talk about

883
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:43,279
the bigger picture of catalina island

884
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:45,279
that's you know had this uso mystery

885
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,240
surrounding it for decades now

886
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,240
yeah so um the episode actually already

887
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:52,320
aired for ufo witness uh on tuesday okay

888
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,279
cool

889
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:55,279
so it's streaming now on discovery plus

890
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:56,799
um or you can go and see it on travel

891
00:30:02,149 --> 00:29:59,760
channel airs tuesdays at 10 pm

892
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:02,159
um so i was called in for that because

893
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:03,919
ben and i like i said we go we go way

894
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:07,039
back and and i investigate all ufo hot

895
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:09,440
spots areas of interest sightings

896
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:11,279
whatever so be it um and i try and

897
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,440
pinpoint a lot of the capitals

898
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:16,000
and um ben and i of course work together

899
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:17,520
in this department and we have calls all

900
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:19,679
the time and talk about these things um

901
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:21,760
and so he wanted me on because catalina

902
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:24,799
of course is a hub for me as regards to

903
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:27,200
a lot of uso activity and ufo activity

904
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,240
and of course some of the abduction

905
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:30,480
cases are quite phenomenal that come out

906
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:31,360
of

907
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:32,080
the

908
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:36,320
islands and as well as off malibu and so

909
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,200
forth

910
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:39,360
and um so when i was invited on they

911
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:41,360
just really wanted ben and i sit down

912
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:43,039
and talk about what we have already been

913
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:45,120
working on you know behind closed doors

914
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:48,480
for years um but then also

915
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:52,640
talk about why catalina and why this

916
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:55,039
could be so prominent and normally i

917
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,519
scuba dive um in the shows and and do

918
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:59,600
that normally um but on this one they

919
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:01,519
wanted it just to be ben and me being

920
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:02,799
top side with melissa which was

921
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,880
wonderful i loved it at great time

922
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:06,480
and um

923
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:08,159
you know you'll see in the episode we

924
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:09,679
discover something quite fascinating on

925
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:11,279
the back side of the island which again

926
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:13,039
if you go back in time to the original

927
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:16,000
henson video that came out in 1966 of

928
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:17,279
the first

929
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,080
really good strong footage from catalina

930
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:22,640
and you see the object and it was filmed

931
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,080
from a helicopter going over the top and

932
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,240
then disappearing

933
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:30,720
i always believed you know people had

934
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:32,559
kind of come up with conspiracy theories

935
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:33,679
and the fact that oh it went into the

936
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:35,039
mountainside but there really isn't a

937
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,760
mountainside in catalina like you have a

938
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:39,440
you have a good high rise but you would

939
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:40,960
notice if something went inside of an

940
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:42,720
invisible door you know in in the

941
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:43,679
mountains

942
00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:46,880
and this didn't and i after 1966 and a

943
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:49,039
little bit before but after that a lot

944
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,399
of fishermen's came forward talking

945
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:52,320
about sightings of lights coming up to

946
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:53,440
the top of their boats and we're not

947
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:54,960
talking about the regular sea lights

948
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,080
that we get this was an actual physical

949
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,720
uh you know object that came up and

950
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:02,000
create a lot of there was of course the

951
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,600
other incident where the plane was taken

952
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:04,960
down and the one gentleman lost his

953
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:07,519
family member and of course we have all

954
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:09,440
these incidences that are surrounded by

955
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,720
this island

956
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,000
and it's always really funny to me

957
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,000
because it's spooky catalina you can't

958
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:16,080
see it from the coast and as you get

959
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:18,880
close to it there's this ridiculous fog

960
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:21,200
that always surrounds this island and as

961
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:23,120
soon as you break through that fog

962
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:25,440
it's this beautiful little you know

963
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:27,919
mystery island in the middle of nowhere

964
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:29,120
and it looks like in the middle of

965
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:31,120
nowhere and i always think to myself

966
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:32,799
what a great way to disguise yourself

967
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:35,039
you've got this beautiful cloud not a

968
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:37,039
lot of population on this island you

969
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:38,720
could have inhabited it years ago nobody

970
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:40,720
would have even known you know and and

971
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:43,360
so when this in this particular video of

972
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:45,679
the 1966 i got sidetracked it goes

973
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:47,519
behind the mountain it disappears so my

974
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,760
research and i believe ben firmly agrees

975
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:51,840
with me on this as well is that the

976
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:53,279
belief is that it actually went and

977
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:56,159
submerged itself behind the island

978
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:58,080
because catalina has their own bermuda

979
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:00,559
triangle directly behind the island

980
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:03,279
where in the episode you will see

981
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:04,399
and it was something that i was like

982
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,039
listen you know magnetics is a huge key

983
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:09,440
factor when we're dealing with ufos and

984
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:11,600
and so forth and usos

985
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:17,509
it went 45 degrees and it stuck

986
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:19,519
that's stronger than lightning to pull a

987
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:21,279
magnetic pull to that extent on your

988
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,640
compass 45 degrees pull

989
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:26,240
when they were diving over where we

990
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:28,000
believe is like kind of like the the

991
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:30,399
main mecca of the bermuda triangle of

992
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:33,919
catalina and for me that was it

993
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,679
i will go back tomorrow if somebody

994
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:37,440
calls me up to investigate because i

995
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:40,159
firmly believe there is something going

996
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:42,080
on and you'll see too in a lot of the

997
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,760
records we pulled

998
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:45,760
we have magnetic anomalies that are

999
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:48,159
showing so bright red directly behind

1000
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:49,279
the island

1001
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:51,519
that it doesn't make any sense these

1002
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:54,000
things shouldn't be there but it would

1003
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:54,880
home

1004
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:57,600
and help if you're in a uso type you

1005
00:34:01,830 --> 00:33:59,200
know unidentified submergible object for

1006
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:01,840
those that don't know to help kind of

1007
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:03,440
hide you because it messes with your

1008
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:05,279
compasses messes with your gauges you'll

1009
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:06,799
never if you everything got turned off

1010
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:08,240
you would be lost

1011
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:09,679
nothing would tell you where to be

1012
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:11,040
compass-wise

1013
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:13,359
so yeah i mean catalina itself is crazy

1014
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:14,800
so that's what we get to do and we get

1015
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:17,119
to investigate it even further this time

1016
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:18,720
than i got to and

1017
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:21,440
unidentified and my god i'm ready to go

1018
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:23,440
back tomorrow i freaking love that

1019
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:26,720
island i do it's crazy that place is oh

1020
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:32,470
it's incredible

1021
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,599
so what i i mean it's not that far away

1022
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:37,520
the obviously the nimitz encounters was

1023
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,040
kind of in the channels off of the west

1024
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:41,280
coast so i mean

1025
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:43,200
a lot of people or some people talk

1026
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:44,720
about the tic tac well it's got to be

1027
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,879
just some kind of man-made technology

1028
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:48,480
some kind of test

1029
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:50,720
yet with such close relations to

1030
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:53,599
catalina and the older stories

1031
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:55,839
i personally don't see that connection

1032
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:57,440
you know obviously it's possible but

1033
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:58,720
what about you what are you with your

1034
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:00,880
thoughts on the tic tac if you had to

1035
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,839
speculate if it was ours or something a

1036
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:05,520
lot more anomalous where would you be

1037
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:08,000
sort of pointing

1038
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:10,079
i i honestly don't think that it's any

1039
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,520
kind of our

1040
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,440
i don't think we are capable of creating

1041
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:15,200
anything like a tic tac the thing has no

1042
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:18,720
wings it has no real uh engine i mean

1043
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,560
this thing is like a cylinder and if you

1044
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:22,400
go back in history tic tacs have been in

1045
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:24,160
history as far as sightings go for a

1046
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:26,079
very long time you know we're talking

1047
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:29,359
egg shape tic tac cigar it's this tic

1048
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,400
tac and cigar almost exactly the same in

1049
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:34,720
any kind of testimony when described and

1050
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:37,520
so for me for anybody to say to me

1051
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:39,119
directly in my personal opinion that

1052
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:40,560
it's possible that our governments made

1053
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:43,119
that i no i don't i i don't think that's

1054
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:44,720
earthbound at all

1055
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:45,599
and

1056
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:48,720
i do believe that that is a good version

1057
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:50,320
of the uso

1058
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:52,320
of what it looks like because again if

1059
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:54,560
you look at the 66 video it is very

1060
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:57,040
similar it is in the same shape the way

1061
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:00,880
it moves and i i yeah no

1062
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:03,280
there's no way and and in catalina and

1063
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:04,720
of course in the videos that we've

1064
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:06,320
gotten from navy

1065
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,880
that channel is so high active with with

1066
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,880
sightings it's unreal

1067
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:12,480
and they're not just

1068
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:14,079
and some of them of course have come

1069
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:16,480
forward in in an unknown you know you

1070
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:18,320
don't know me this is me saying what i

1071
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:21,040
saw and it's it's always in that channel

1072
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:23,359
i can't explain it it's always off the

1073
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:25,440
west coast channel and it's

1074
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:28,079
fascinating to me and if you

1075
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:31,280
look at the you know the actual

1076
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:35,119
basically any type of graph of the floor

1077
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:36,400
and you pull up all the different

1078
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:38,400
anomalies that are happening there's too

1079
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:40,400
much going on and i don't believe that

1080
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:43,119
it's our technology at all and i think

1081
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,720
that's what scares a lot of the

1082
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,240
government because it's

1083
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:48,960
what is this and where is it coming from

1084
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:51,040
yeah i agree and if we're talking about

1085
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:52,800
it being potentially a non-human

1086
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:55,119
intelligence you know we hear nowadays

1087
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,480
so many different

1088
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:58,320
possibilities as to what they are

1089
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:00,400
extraterrestrial interdimensional

1090
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:02,960
ultra-terrestrial crypto-terrestrial and

1091
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:05,599
i find myself flipping like one week i

1092
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:08,000
might see a case or do some research and

1093
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:10,079
it points in one direction and that may

1094
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:13,040
flip the week the week later but do you

1095
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:14,640
if you were to speculate where do you

1096
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:16,240
think these things are coming from or

1097
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:22,710
okay so

1098
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:23,920
i

1099
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:31,599
why we see

1100
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:34,320
so many ufos now

1101
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,560
is one because everybody has a phone in

1102
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:38,160
their you know with a camera in their

1103
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,640
phone so we're able to document it but i

1104
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:42,720
i've i've been on this fence

1105
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:44,880
really since i started the uso um

1106
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:46,880
investigations and and going to certain

1107
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:48,480
locations with so much uptick in

1108
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:50,320
activity

1109
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:52,640
i kind of feel as though that treaty

1110
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:54,160
that was spoke about

1111
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:55,440
between

1112
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:58,560
um i believe it was eisenhower

1113
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:00,960
i do believe firmly that they it's

1114
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:04,079
possible that this species of whatever

1115
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:06,160
type of extra extraterrestrial life it

1116
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:08,079
is and i don't want to put a finger on

1117
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:09,119
what

1118
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:11,920
many different types out there

1119
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:13,839
apparently

1120
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,400
but i do believe that that treaty could

1121
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:18,000
be accurate and why i say that is

1122
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:20,160
because if they're really here mining

1123
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,359
and they're really here just taking

1124
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:23,359
resources from our planet to help their

1125
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:25,280
planet survive or where they're from you

1126
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,560
know continue to move forward and

1127
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,560
they're giving us intel hell for to help

1128
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:30,800
us succeed

1129
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:32,480
i would believe that they had already

1130
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:34,160
pre-set up

1131
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:36,880
spots underground in our ocean

1132
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:37,839
and

1133
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:49,680
so

1134
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,520
lenient towards these underground bases

1135
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:53,280
and again i don't know what type of

1136
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:54,880
species they are and it's really hard to

1137
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,240
say because everybody throws out

1138
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,560
everything from mantis to grays to you

1139
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,400
know all these different

1140
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,160
nordics i mean i could list a whole name

1141
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:04,000
and it's like oh my god there's that

1142
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:05,200
many

1143
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:06,160
um

1144
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,200
but

1145
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,200
you sit there and you go okay it makes

1146
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:11,440
sense because there are some abduction

1147
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:13,520
cases where people were not harmed

1148
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:15,440
they were not physically harmed you know

1149
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:17,119
lori had one that happened to her she

1150
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:18,640
she was a scuba diver off the back of

1151
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:20,079
catalina

1152
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,960
and

1153
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:22,800
the thing i always draw back to on this

1154
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:24,960
one was the fact that these beings came

1155
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:26,320
up to her under the water while she was

1156
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:27,920
scuba diving and she was older she'd

1157
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:30,560
done this for her by herself forever

1158
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:31,440
and

1159
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:32,960
they were dressed in a metallic type

1160
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:35,359
suit and they had much like a kind of a

1161
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,240
dome like an astronaut and they had

1162
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:40,320
spoke to her telepathically and told her

1163
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:41,280
that they had been observing her and

1164
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:42,400
watching her and that she'd been getting

1165
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:44,480
so much better at scuba diving

1166
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:46,000
and then she had missing time and it

1167
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:47,839
wasn't until and she woke up on the boat

1168
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:50,079
after seeing these beings

1169
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:52,160
and then you know yvonne put her under

1170
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:54,640
um to let her kind of regress and and

1171
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:56,240
talk about that incident but it wasn't

1172
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:57,839
wasn't horrible

1173
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:59,520
they showed her

1174
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:01,520
kind of where they're from and what they

1175
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,599
do and then they put her back and it was

1176
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:05,359
an observing thing and what i found

1177
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,960
fascinating was that in russia in the

1178
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:08,400
rushing minings

1179
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:12,079
they had a similar account and this was

1180
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,839
many years apart i mean many years apart

1181
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:15,200
there's no way that these two stories

1182
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:17,200
would have ever collided or conversated

1183
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:19,280
but the beings looked identical

1184
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:20,720
and they're underwater in the same types

1185
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:22,400
of suits and observing and seeing what

1186
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,839
we're doing not harming us just

1187
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:24,960
observing

1188
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:26,319
and i think a lot of times when we see

1189
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:27,839
the ufos they're observing they're

1190
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:29,839
observing our military are we staying

1191
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:32,480
true to the the treaty if that's real

1192
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,640
if that really took place are they are

1193
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,480
we keeping our end of the bargain as

1194
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:39,119
they're keeping theirs and so a lot of

1195
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:41,200
times i i lean with don even don and

1196
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:43,040
i've had this conversation that it's

1197
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:45,200
possible they've already been here prior

1198
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:46,480
to our

1199
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:48,560
continuous you know kind of growth on

1200
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:49,920
this place and now they're kind of

1201
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,400
helping us and and not helping us in the

1202
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,480
same and i don't think all of them are

1203
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,720
vicious and vindictive and painful and

1204
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,400
hurtful and hurting people

1205
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:00,400
and i just think a lot of times they

1206
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:02,319
they're already here and they have bases

1207
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:03,599
set up

1208
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:05,200
and we just need to keep our end of the

1209
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:07,280
bargain and they'll keep their kind of

1210
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:09,280
deal you know just as much as if we're

1211
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,040
if it's a military tactic that's what

1212
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:13,200
you agree to when you join hands with

1213
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,599
another country we have our agreement

1214
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:17,040
this is our agreement and as long as we

1215
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,319
stay there

1216
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:20,160
we won't fight each other and i kind of

1217
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,040
feel that's how this is

1218
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:25,200
set in motion and set in place and we

1219
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:26,640
found out they've already been here and

1220
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:28,720
now we've set this you know train in

1221
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:31,280
motion and now people have phones with

1222
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,960
cameras and now they can kind of be a

1223
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:34,720
little bit more exposed

1224
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:35,760
but as long as we keep buying the

1225
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:38,079
bargain up no no harm no harm to your

1226
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:39,359
country

1227
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:41,119
that's how i take it

1228
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:42,880
no that's cool i appreciate that because

1229
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,720
i know so many different people and i

1230
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:46,720
have this conversation regularly and

1231
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:48,800
there are so many different versions and

1232
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:50,960
opinions and and you know there's a lot

1233
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,319
of disagreements but as long as it's

1234
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:54,000
done respectfully then

1235
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:55,680
i'm all up for that kind of conversation

1236
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:58,160
so i really appreciate that so thank you

1237
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:59,599
yeah so

1238
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:00,880
i know i've hit you with a few big

1239
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:02,000
questions i'm going to hit you with

1240
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:03,680
another one and that is

1241
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:06,079
we often hear a lot of people say i want

1242
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:07,920
the truth i want to know i am ready for

1243
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:09,680
disclosure

1244
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:11,920
but some people look maybe that if you

1245
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,079
look around the world the way that we

1246
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:16,640
kind of handle ourselves as a species we

1247
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:19,119
may not be ready so what do you think do

1248
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:21,119
you think we could handle disclosure as

1249
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:24,240
a you know a global race um

1250
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:25,839
it's a tough one but yeah i'd like to

1251
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:28,400
know your thoughts on that

1252
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:31,440
i am a firm believer that the majority

1253
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:33,520
is ready

1254
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:34,400
and

1255
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:37,680
i say that because

1256
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:40,160
i i read a lot of what comments that

1257
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,040
people say you know they know that

1258
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:45,359
it's not these little green men and it's

1259
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:47,200
not this you know horror story all the

1260
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:49,200
time they're not gonna come blow us up

1261
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:51,599
and rip our limbs off and stuff that the

1262
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,920
media likes to push and it's something

1263
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:55,920
that recently hit me

1264
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:58,960
that i i think is a question to ask if

1265
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:01,440
you take away the stigma okay take away

1266
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,760
the stigma of knowing grays and nordic

1267
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,520
and all these different aliens and

1268
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:07,280
beings and whatever

1269
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:09,119
and let's just take away the history for

1270
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:11,440
a second and somebody said to you vinnie

1271
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,560
guess what

1272
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:14,400
they discovered

1273
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:17,520
life human life other beings on another

1274
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,880
planet

1275
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,880
and they're awesome

1276
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:22,400
like

1277
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:23,680
immediately

1278
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:29,119
initia you're like it's almost like

1279
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:30,640
you're stunned you're like

1280
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:31,920
what

1281
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:34,720
really that's amazing

1282
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:35,520
so

1283
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:37,760
it's the way it's been painted

1284
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:40,720
over the years from like the 40s to

1285
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:42,880
about the 70s where a lot of the coining

1286
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:44,720
of little green men came about of course

1287
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:46,240
from the kentucky case

1288
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,400
and so when you have these stigmas

1289
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:52,560
it makes people fearful of what they

1290
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:54,560
don't understand

1291
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:56,000
but if you paint it in a way that they

1292
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:57,599
can understand which is kind of

1293
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,920
happening a little bit more now and

1294
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,680
that's why i think more of the general

1295
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,079
public really are ready for the truth

1296
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:06,000
people aren't going to question god

1297
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:07,520
they're not going to go run out and kill

1298
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,400
themselves

1299
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,560
because they understand that

1300
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,319
wait a minute if there's life on other

1301
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:14,160
other planets there's hope for us then

1302
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:16,000
maybe we can then go and be with them

1303
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:17,760
and live on a planet with them like elon

1304
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,280
musk is trying to do you know i mean

1305
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:21,359
elon could be an alien i'm just saying

1306
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:23,359
i love that guy um

1307
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:24,240
but

1308
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:26,000
you know for me i look at it more like

1309
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:26,960
hope

1310
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:30,079
you know and i think we put our

1311
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:32,000
we put our natural mind and the way that

1312
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,839
we would handle a situation and we know

1313
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:36,000
that he the human race can be very evil

1314
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:37,760
and can be very mean sometimes it can be

1315
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,160
brutal it can be rude and it can do harm

1316
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:42,480
to others when it doesn't need to and so

1317
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:44,640
i think we immediately assume that if we

1318
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:46,160
found another race

1319
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:48,000
of any type of being that they're going

1320
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:49,599
to do the same thing we do

1321
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:52,640
but in reality i i don't think that you

1322
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,400
know we don't we can't speak for them we

1323
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:56,000
don't know because we don't really even

1324
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,920
know if there is a them yet

1325
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:00,000
and just based off of the research we

1326
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:02,560
have to go by what we're learning

1327
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:04,480
and there's a lot of accounts and

1328
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:05,520
stories in there that we don't need to

1329
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:07,440
be fearful of if they were going to come

1330
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,720
and blow us up they would have already

1331
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,480
done it if they were going to come and

1332
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:12,640
do independence day on it they would

1333
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,560
have already done it there's they're not

1334
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:16,800
waiting for uh you know a certain date

1335
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:18,960
and time you know i mean

1336
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:20,160
so for me

1337
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:22,480
i do believe the majority that are

1338
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,960
asking for it that are wanting that

1339
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:27,359
drink are truly ready for it because

1340
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:29,119
they're thirsty for it because they've

1341
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:31,040
done their research they know the truth

1342
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:32,400
and they're like please

1343
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:34,560
stop treating the general public like

1344
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:35,680
idiots

1345
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:38,160
we see it for ourselves just tell us the

1346
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:41,440
truth and then don't paint it so

1347
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:44,160
horror movies just tell them the truth

1348
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:46,079
just let the public know we're not alone

1349
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:49,359
and it's awesome it's not a bad thing

1350
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:51,520
that's cool i like the optimism as well

1351
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:54,079
i i always try and remain optimistic and

1352
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:56,000
the way i look at it is if

1353
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:58,560
we get disclosure and the right there is

1354
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:59,440
going to be

1355
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:00,640
some

1356
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:02,319
i don't know push back there's there may

1357
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:05,119
be financial crashes and that but

1358
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,960
we're quite a resilient race as well at

1359
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:08,560
the same time look at how we've you know

1360
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:10,319
acted over the past few years we bounced

1361
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,440
back and

1362
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:13,359
you know again i think i prefer to look

1363
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:15,040
at it optimistically than

1364
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:17,760
pessimistically so yeah i appreciate

1365
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:18,720
that

1366
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,359
so before we finish thank you

1367
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:23,280
um but before we finish off i'd like to

1368
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:25,520
know what's next for you what's next for

1369
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,960
brit

1370
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:29,280
oh my gosh i don't know

1371
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:31,839
honestly um after coming back from

1372
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,960
roswell

1373
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:34,560
you know i'll i'll share with you guys

1374
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:36,000
for a moment

1375
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:37,760
being a part of the panel with kufos and

1376
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:40,160
mcdonald and uh donald schmidt and and

1377
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:42,160
mark chesney and spending you know such

1378
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:43,920
a great time with them and paul davids

1379
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:46,319
and james clark was there and and so

1380
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:49,200
many tom carey um thomas reed was there

1381
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:50,800
of course ben hansen melissa all these

1382
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:54,240
wonderful people um who were there uh

1383
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:56,560
louis elizondo was there as well it was

1384
00:47:02,710 --> 00:46:58,960
quite a quite a turnout but the roswell

1385
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:02,720
panel changed my life for a multitude of

1386
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,200
reasons when you're sitting there and

1387
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:06,960
you're listening to these gentlemen who

1388
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:09,040
have spent i'm going to say 40 50 plus

1389
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,319
years some of them were much older

1390
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:12,640
dennis is 80 now and so you're looking

1391
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:14,079
at these gentlemen who have seen it all

1392
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:15,359
have heard it all were a part of

1393
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:16,800
deathbed confessions

1394
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:19,520
and you can't help but sit there and go

1395
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:22,559
what happens when they're gone

1396
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:24,720
when these fighters who have fought the

1397
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:27,280
fight and have come toe-to-toe with

1398
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:29,359
government officials in escalades and

1399
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:30,800
gun pointing and everything and i'm not

1400
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:32,880
joking that is like real stuff that has

1401
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:35,119
happened to these men

1402
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:37,119
what happens to the legacy that they

1403
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:38,720
have set forth for us and for our

1404
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:40,160
children

1405
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:41,839
if it doesn't carry on

1406
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,280
and then to have

1407
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:45,599
two sons from officials that were part

1408
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:48,000
of the incident in roswell who came to

1409
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:49,680
speak on behalf of their dads who are no

1410
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,400
longer with us but who are there to say

1411
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:54,319
thank you to these gentlemen for

1412
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:55,839
fighting the fight to getting the truth

1413
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:57,760
out for their dads that were afraid to

1414
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,200
come forward because they didn't want

1415
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:01,200
anything to happen to us

1416
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:02,800
and they didn't tell us until they were

1417
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:05,599
dying because you can't kill a dead man

1418
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,480
and

1419
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,880
it really bugged me because there's

1420
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:10,800
nobody truly

1421
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:13,200
interested or caring to carry on that

1422
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:15,520
fight that torch of j allen heineck you

1423
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:16,800
know even

1424
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:19,359
and i just feel that in my gut that's

1425
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,280
going to be my next step

1426
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,920
i need to push forward because if you're

1427
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:25,200
waiting for the government to tell you

1428
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:26,319
the truth and ain't going to happen you

1429
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:28,160
have to go after the truth yourself and

1430
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:29,920
that's boots on the ground meeting the

1431
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:31,920
people that are afraid to talk and

1432
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,319
allowing them to feel safe with you and

1433
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:36,480
telling their story and know that there

1434
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:39,040
is no judgment we all want the truth no

1435
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:40,640
matter where that leads us

1436
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:41,920
and

1437
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:44,240
i just feel in my heart how much i love

1438
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,880
these men and these women who have done

1439
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,640
this and

1440
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:50,880
fearful and they told their story anyway

1441
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:53,119
in books and in writing and in deathbed

1442
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,359
confessions it is up to us the next

1443
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:57,520
generation to carry that torch

1444
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:00,480
and as being um you know an apprentice

1445
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:02,960
to dawn and he is my mentor and he is my

1446
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:05,200
family i feel it in my god that that's

1447
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:07,280
my next my next journey is to either

1448
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:08,319
create

1449
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:10,400
the brand new blue book that isn't

1450
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:12,559
attached to the government and actually

1451
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:14,720
go after this for the truth and continue

1452
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:16,640
that legacy so when they're gone

1453
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:19,359
that flame is still burning for roswell

1454
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:20,960
and we will do whatever it takes to keep

1455
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:23,440
it alive and i will add vinnie and

1456
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:26,559
you'll get a kick out of this and i know

1457
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:30,160
i hate the term uap

1458
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:31,599
i don't know how you feel about it and i

1459
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:33,680
don't care what anybody says i hate the

1460
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:36,400
term uap and you know why because it

1461
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:38,319
stands for unidentified aerial

1462
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,400
phenomenon now aerial phenomenon is

1463
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:42,240
anything that takes place in our

1464
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:43,760
atmosphere and i've studied the

1465
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:45,359
atmosphere because being a ufologist you

1466
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:46,559
need to know different elements of

1467
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:48,800
atmosphere that could create a false

1468
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:51,839
image of a ufo okay even a major mirage

1469
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,680
as they call it or a super mirage in the

1470
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:55,760
sky okay fair enough

1471
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:59,280
but an object unidentified flying object

1472
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:01,280
is something that is flying around up

1473
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,240
there that is a physical tangible object

1474
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:06,960
not an aerial phenomenon so i hate that

1475
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:08,800
the ufos are being lumped in and being

1476
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:11,280
called uaps because it is not the same

1477
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:13,440
thing at all and if anybody is paying

1478
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:14,720
attention and they listen to the

1479
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:17,119
congressional hearing they flat out said

1480
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:19,599
in the congressional hearing and i quote

1481
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:23,680
yes ufos they're a physical object and

1482
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,880
we know this for certain now okay so if

1483
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,319
you know this for certain now that it's

1484
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:30,480
a physical object then stop calling it a

1485
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:31,599
uap

1486
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:35,359
else that's going on in the atmosphere i

1487
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:37,839
stand by that 100 percent

1488
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:40,160
wormholes portals whatever opens up the

1489
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:42,079
atmosphere fine it's a phenomenon but as

1490
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:43,920
far as ufos they are still an

1491
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:46,640
unidynified unidentified flying object

1492
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:48,400
and until proven otherwise that is what

1493
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:50,160
they should be called no matter what so

1494
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:53,119
i say uap to stay pc with everything

1495
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:55,520
across the board but it does irk me

1496
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:56,800
because it doesn't make sense that

1497
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:58,400
you're lumping in something to move away

1498
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,800
from the stigma but in truth we're still

1499
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:02,640
looking at an object that we cannot

1500
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,440
identify period that's what it is

1501
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:07,440
call it what it is

1502
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,760
no that's fair enough changing it

1503
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:11,760
i get it well the thing is that you know

1504
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:14,240
uap was actually used back in the 50s a

1505
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,040
lot

1506
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:17,760
so i mean there are many i use both and

1507
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:19,599
it depends on who i'm talking to the

1508
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,640
situation the case the year that i'm you

1509
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:24,960
know referring to so yes

1510
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:27,200
if i was to and this is again just my

1511
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:30,000
opinion i would ditch both because for

1512
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:32,400
the reasons you explained about uap i

1513
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:33,359
agree

1514
00:51:38,190 --> 00:51:36,880
but also a ufo if it is you know an

1515
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,200
anti-gravity

1516
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:40,079
electromagnetic thing then it's not

1517
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:41,200
actually

1518
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:43,920
flying because it's not using you know

1519
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:45,040
so

1520
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,319
that's true it should just be an

1521
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:48,559
unidentified object yeah because we

1522
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:50,480
can't really identify it

1523
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:51,440
yeah

1524
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:54,000
so i'm done with it it's a up it's an up

1525
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:55,440
so we'll just start calling it up vinnie

1526
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:56,400
that'll be our thing i'll just be like

1527
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:57,920
okay did you see the up yesterday i did

1528
00:52:03,109 --> 00:51:59,359
i like that

1529
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:03,119
yeah no stigma it's a new thing

1530
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:05,520
we'll start and see if it sticks in the

1531
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:08,079
ufology community we'll see if it sticks

1532
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:10,240
let's do it let's do it well listen brit

1533
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:12,240
thank you so much for joining me today i

1534
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:14,720
really do appreciate it um i just want

1535
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:17,119
to say to everybody that's watching live

1536
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:19,040
listening in the future

1537
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:21,280
uh go and follow brit on all her social

1538
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:24,480
medias she's always active and you know

1539
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:26,480
really interesting posts

1540
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:28,319
yeah no i i honestly that's how we

1541
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,160
connected on instagram and you know

1542
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:32,880
you're posting so consistently um and i

1543
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:34,400
really do appreciate all the work that

1544
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:35,839
you do as well like i have so much

1545
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:37,359
respect for boots on the ground

1546
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:38,800
investigations

1547
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:40,480
i've done it i've got a bug for it i

1548
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:41,839
cannot wait to get back out and

1549
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:43,680
investigate a new case

1550
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:46,079
so yeah no it's great so thank you so

1551
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:48,240
much i really appreciate you being here

1552
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:50,000
absolutely it was a pleasure coming on

1553
00:52:53,589 --> 00:52:51,760
when you asked if if i could come on the

1554
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:53,599
show it was a real honor i follow your

1555
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:55,839
show i followed your guests you know and

1556
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:57,359
of course dawn i think was a guest on

1557
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:00,480
your show as well and so i i have

1558
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:01,680
followed and i just you know when you

1559
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:03,599
asked i was like of course absolutely

1560
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,880
i'll come on the show because it's

1561
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:06,240
really hard to find somebody that kind

1562
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:08,559
of um sees eye to eye with you on a lot

1563
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:10,640
of the the theories and and ideas and

1564
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:12,240
the fact that we we do a line quite a

1565
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:14,240
bit it it's always nice because you know

1566
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,839
when you have a conversation there's

1567
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:17,440
gonna be really good questions coming

1568
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:20,559
out and and uh i was excited i love it

1569
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:23,520
so and my my instagram page is kind of

1570
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:24,400
um

1571
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,520
i just feel that we need to have a

1572
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:27,599
little fun in the field and it shouldn't

1573
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:29,680
always be so serious so i do have a lot

1574
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,839
of reels that are more on the humorous

1575
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:34,079
side of trying to bring people in to

1576
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,000
find it more interesting but i do try

1577
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:38,160
and stay as active as possible and try

1578
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:39,440
and be in touch with everybody that

1579
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,960
reaches out

1580
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:42,960
awesome it does it stands out and so

1581
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:44,480
that's great you know if we can always

1582
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:46,079
draw in new people

1583
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:48,160
then it's only a good thing so yeah i

1584
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:50,640
really appreciate that as well uh just

1585
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:51,920
want to give a massive shout out to

1586
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:53,440
everyone in the live chat for keeping it

1587
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:55,680
cordial as always i really appreciate

1588
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:58,240
you guys uh being here as well and

1589
00:54:02,150 --> 00:53:59,680
anybody listening or watching in the

1590
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:02,160
future thank you so much um

1591
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:04,000
for now guys we're going to say goodbye

1592
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,839
i am going to be back

1593
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:07,520
just over a week's time i'm going to be

1594
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:10,319
hosting a panel discussion with ryan

1595
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:14,000
robbins aka ufo jesus james ian doley

1596
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:17,040
and danny silva so look out for that but